I’ve covered this before, but as this came up again in an online discussion I thought I would write about it again. For decades when I was doing a lot of corporate video work we shot greenscreen and chroma key with analoge or 8 bit, limited dynamic range, standard definition cameras and generally got great results (it was very common to use a bluescreen as blue spill doesn’t look as bad on skin tones as green). So now when we have cameras with much greater dynamic ranges and 10 bit recording is it better to shoot for greenscreen using S-Log3 (or any other log curve for that matter) or perhaps Rec-709?
Before going further I will say that there is no yes-no, right-wrong, answer to this question. I will also add that Rec-709 gets a bad rap because people don’t really understand how gamma curves/transfer functions actually work and how modern grading software is able to re-map the aquisition transfer function to almost any other transfer function. If you use a colour managed workflow in DaVinci Resolve it is very easy to take a Rec-709 recording and map it to S-Log3 so that you can apply the same grades to the 709 as you would to material originated using S-Log3. Of course the 709 recording may not have as much dynamic range as an S-Log3 recording, but it will “look” more or less the same.
Comming back to shooting greenscreen and chromakey:
S-Log3:
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Shoot using 10 bit S-log3 and you have 791 code values available (95-886) to record 14/15 stops of dynamic range. so on average across the entire curve each stop has around 55 code values. Between Middle Grey and +2 stops there are approx 155 code values – this region is important as this is where the majority of skin tones and the key background are likely to fall.
Rec-709:
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Shoot using vanilla Rec-709 and you are using 929 code values (90-1019) to record 6/7 stops so each stop has on average across the entire curve has around 125 code values. Between Middle Grey and +2 stops there are going to be around 340 code values.
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That is not an insignificant difference, it’s not far off the difference between shooting with 10 bit or 12 bit.
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If you were to ask someone whether it is better to shoot using 10 bit or 12 bit I am quite sure the automatic answer would be 12 bit because the general concensus is – more bits is always better.
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A further consideration is that the Sony cameras operate at a lower ISO when shooting with standard gammas and as a result you will have an improved signal to noise ratio using 709 than when using S-log3 and this can also make it easier to achieve a good, clean, key.
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However you do also need to think about what it is you are shooting and how it will be used. If you are shooting greenscreen in a studio then you should have full control over your lighting and in most cases 6 or 7 stops is all you need, so Rec-709 should be able to capture everything comfortably well. If you are shooting outside with less control over the light perhaps Rec-709 won’t have sufficient range.
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If the background plates have been shot using S-Log3 then some people don’t like keying 709 into S-Log3. However a colour managed workflow can deal with this very easily. We should consider that 709 and S-Log3 in a workflow where grading is a big part should not be though of as “looks” but simply as transfer functions or maps of what brightness/saturation seen by the camera is recorded at what code value. Handle these transfer functions correctly via a colour managed workflow and both will “look” the same and both will grade the same within their respective capture limits.
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For an easy workflow you might chose to shoot the greenscreen elements using log with the same settings as the plates. There is nothing wrong with this, it works, it is a very commonly used workflow but it isn’t necessarily always going to be optimum. A lot of people will put a lot of emphasis on using raw or greater bit depths to maximise the quality of their keying, but overlook gamma choice altogether, simply because “Rec-709” is almost a dirty word these days.
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If you have more control, and want absolutely the best possible key, you might be better off using Rec-709. As you will have more data per stop which makes it easier for the keying software to identify edges and less noise. If using Rec-709 you want to chose a version of Rec-709 where you can turn off the camera’s knee as this will prevent the 709 curve from crushing the highlights which can make them difficult to grade. In a studio situation you shouldn’t need to use a heavy knee.
I suggest you experiment and test for yourself and not every situation will be the same, sometimes S-Log3 will be the right choice, other times Rec-709.
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Chroma Key and S-Cinetone
A question poped up today asking about how to expose S-Cinetone when shooting green screen.
The answer is really quite simple – no differently to how you would expose S-Cinetone anywhere else. But, having said that it is important to understand that S-Cinetone is a bit different to normal Rec-709 and this needs to be considered when shooting for chroma key or green screen.
S-Cinetone’s highlight roll off and shoulder starts much lower than most “normal” rec-709 curves. From around 73% the gamma curve changes and starts to compress the levels and reduce contrast. In the shdows there is a variable toe that increases contrast at lower brightness levels. The nominal “normal” brightness levels are also lower, all part of the contemporary film like look S-Cinetone is designed to give. A 90% reflectivity reference white card would be exposed at approx 83% instead of the more normal 90% (if you were using a light meter you should end up with a 90% white card at 83IRE). A white piece of paper will be a bit brighter than this as printer and copier paper etc is designed to look as bright as possible, typically printer paper comes out around 3 to 5% brighter than a proper white card.
The lower start to the highlight roll-off means that if you place skintones around 70% the brighter parts of a face will be affected by the rolloff and this will make them flatter. Expose skin tones at 60% and the face will be more contrasty and in my opinion look better. Although darker this would still be well with the “normal” exposure range for S-Cinetone so you will not have excessive noise and it will still key well.
S-Cinetone would be considered correctly exposed when a 90% white card is exposed between 78% and 88%. This is quite a wide window and is due to the way S-Cinetone is designed to give differening contrast levels simply by exposing a touch brighter or darker. The variable toe and shoulder mean that exposing brighter will make the image flatter and exposing darker more contrasty. Exposing as you would with normal Rec-709 levels with a white card at 90% will place skintones rather higher than “normal” and they will appear very flat. So either expose so a white card falls in the 78-88% window or use a calibrated monitor to observe how the skin tone look and be careful not to overexpose them.
Your greenscreen should be between 40IRE and 60IRE for a good clean key, I normally aim for 50IRE with S-Cinetone, but provided you don’t go below 40IRE or above 60IRE you should be good.
Checking Log exposure with the Hi and Low Key Function on the PXW-FS7, PMW-F5 and PMW-F55
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A great function that allows you to check the extreme ends of your log exposure in the CineEI mode is the Hi/Low Key function. It has to be assigned to a button before you can use it, but it provides a very fast way to check what is really going on in your highlights and shadows. You’ll find all you need to know about High and Low key here.
Chroma Key Shoot with PDW-700
Just got back from my first PDW 700 green screen shoot. We were in a tiny room and it was a hot day, so it was certainly warm! Everything went well although I have to say that I am really struggling with the CRT viewfinder. I have become so used to a full colour viewfinder on the EX3 that it really is horrid going back to a monchrome viewfinder. I shall be playing with the footage on Monday so I’ll let you know how well it keys then.
